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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:28 pm 
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When I get my HC, I will be more than happy to join a number of national association.

All bar one that is. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:21 pm 
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I agree with sussex here, I thought that the T&G response had to be in to the government by 9th December 2003, as they were a stakeholder, prior to the consultation.

Take the point regarding freedom of speech, but what about freedom to choose your occupation, freedom to own a taxi without having to pay through the nose for someones license.

There are people in this country who have licenses worth thousands of pounds, yet they have never driven a cab in their life, they now want the national bodies to defend that?


The T&G made an initial response to the OFT report, it proclaimed the report as "superficial and nieve". The actual report papers covered over 70 pages which needed to be properly read before an informed respose could be made, an explaination along these lines was issued along with the initial response to government.

Then the National Liason Committee needed to meet to discuss the implications, contradictions and obvious shortcomings to properly react IN FULL to the OFT report.

I have, only today, recieved a copy of the full resonse to the OFT investigation. As it is itself 17 pages long I haven't as yet read the full report, I'll be doing that later tonight and I will report back when I have done so.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:53 pm 
Mick,

Bolton are Beating Aston Villa 5 2 in the Carling Cup with only 6 minutes to go


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Mick wrote:
The T&G made an initial response to the OFT report, it proclaimed the report as "superficial and nieve". The actual report papers covered over 70 pages which needed to be properly read before an informed respose could be made, an explaination along these lines was issued along with the initial response to government.

Then the National Liason Committee needed to meet to discuss the implications, contradictions and obvious shortcomings to properly react IN FULL to the OFT report.


So are you saying that the submission from the T&G to the OFT report
www.brighton-taxi.org.uk/TandGSubmission.pdf , is not the views of the T&G national committee, but the views of one person?

And how can the national committee change it if they don't agree with it, cos it's already been sent.

In other words, who runs the T&G Cab Section, the members or the bus-men? :?

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Mick wrote:
The T&G made an initial response to the OFT report, it proclaimed the report as "superficial and nieve". The actual report papers covered over 70 pages which needed to be properly read before an informed respose could be made, an explaination along these lines was issued along with the initial response to government.

Then the National Liason Committee needed to meet to discuss the implications, contradictions and obvious shortcomings to properly react IN FULL to the OFT report.


So are you saying that the submission from the T&G to the OFT report
www.brighton-taxi.org.uk/TandGSubmission.pdf , is not the views of the T&G national committee, but the views of one person?

And how can the national committee change it if they don't agree with it, cos it's already been sent.

In other words, who runs the T&G Cab Section, the members or the bus-men? :?




no Ive read it once and Ive read it twice and nowhere does it say that, nor does he refer anywhere to bus men.

and bolton finished winning 5-2


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This e-mail is dedicated to Sussex

the first posting on thursday :wink: :roll: :oops: 8) :lol: :shock: :twisted: :evil:


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This e-mail is dedicated to Sussex

the first posting on thursday :wink: :roll: :oops: 8) :lol: :shock: :twisted: :evil:


I would far sooner have an answer to the question I posed. :shock:

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I have read the report linked through the original post in this thread, it contains the response to the OFT report that has been handed to government but differs from the report I recieved as it doesn't include the reccomended action that will be put before the members for approval.

The OFT report is obviously flawed, it reeks of an attempt of one up-manship with regard the impending merger between the OFT and M&MC, it is factually incorrect in so far as it makes comparisons when it suits their intended outcome yet mysteriously fails to mention the same examples when the statistics don't.

It clearly shows that it is the OFT's intention to bankrupt the independant owner driver by allowing an infanant number of vehicles to be licenced without any conditions ensuring that provision is available when there is a shortfall causing the un-met demand.

As I have said many times on here, our fleet size has increased 200% yet people still face a wait when they leave the nightclub on a Friday and Saturday night. No mention was made of all the cars waiting outside the clubs every other nights of the week when supply outnumbers demand so significantly that a car returning to the rank after 2am,sometimes fails to pick up a fare as the demand has been met by the 40 cars in front of him.
I must also point out that the public don't complain when they have to wait 30-40 minutes to get into a nightclub on a weekend night out, but when they have to wait 10 minutes for a taxi there is hell on.

Have the NPHA put forward any response to the report yet, I'd just like to be able to mis-quote their critisism or support in the same way as you have with the T&G and the CTN.

I have no idea what to say next, you still fail to understand that your hatred of the "leech" will have effects on the owner driver, and that by deregulation their financial future is un-certain. What I find amazing is that you have stated on here that you don't hate the H/C community yet you don't give them a second though when you agree with reccomendations that will see their bankruptcy. That is why I believe you are 50 faced SM and why people like you will be the ruination of the whole industry for one man bands and independants, and allow the biggest leeches involved in the trade to exploit the drivers further, I can only suggest that it because you will financially profit from deregulation in this way that you support a completely flawed argument from the OFT.

There are non so blind.

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So are you saying that the T&G's response, was the response from the chosen few, not the response from the national committee? :?

As for the comment about the merger between the OFT and the CC, well that's just such a stupid comment, I don't know where to start. The law was up-dated, the CC will still be the CC. The OFT will still be the OFT, no-one has merged. :? :?

Please tell me where it's views intend to bankrupt the independents, cos lets face it they are earning £55,000 a year. :? :? :?

Has the NPHA sent in a submission? I suspect they have, but I doubt they will be showing that to anyone. I mean who wants to up-set the advertisers?

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Mick wrote:
I have read the report linked through the original post in this thread, it contains the response to the OFT report that has been handed to government but differs from the report I recieved as it doesn't include the reccomended action that will be put before the members for approval.



So Mick, do we get to see the extended report or not?

By recommended action do you mean something that will be done by the T&G or something recommended by the T&G to Govt?

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Mick wrote:
The OFT report is obviously flawed, it reeks of an attempt of one up-manship with regard the impending merger between the OFT and M&MC, it is factually incorrect in so far as it makes comparisons when it suits their intended outcome yet mysteriously fails to mention the same examples when the statistics don't.



Where do you get this stuff from Mick?

The MMC hasn't existed for years, it's now the Competition Commission.

And the chances of a merger between the OFT and the CC are about as likely as one between Newcastle Utd and Sunderland.

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Mick wrote:
With regard the Main Page "comment", if that is what the administration want then its their right to put it up their, my opinion is that opinions should be put forward within the forums of the site and only facts should be published as articles.

It does indicate the site is anti T&G, thats my opinion anyway.



Well what I wrote about at length earlier has clearly had little effect - if you just want to agree with what Mr Nobody said then you could at least try to explain why.

Have a look at CTN Mick, not much news there, just news masquarading as opinion - but that's their right and I don't complain about it because I'm adult enough to make my own mind up and see through any spin.

As for being anti-whatever, the site obviously has an angle, as does every other site or publication, spin it how you want.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:02 am 
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And the chances of a merger between the OFT and the CC are about as likely as one between Newcastle Utd and Sunderland.

Dusty


You know where you heard it first. Government departments merge and change names all the time, how then can you make such a statement. The licensing department up here has moved into different sections three times since I've had a licence up here. So why is that Dusty, could it be to save money, I don't know !!!!!!!!!!!

If the two don't merge, this year, I will donate £100 to a charity of your choice Mr Bin, do you want to back up your opinion by doing the same.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:20 am 
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Have a look at CTN Mick, not much news there, just news masquarading as opinion - but that's their right and I don't complain about it because I'm adult enough to make my own mind up and see through any spin.
Dusty



Mr Bin, the CTN is a publication to allow the T&G to inform members of the unions activity. The people who become members do so because they agree with the principles and objectives of the union. The CTN is a DIRECT publication and your complaints about it are like phoning the Daily Sport to complain about the naked women.

This site is, I believe, intended to remain objective. All my comment was intended to point out was that if the same words were contained within the body of a thread the author would have been offering an opinion on the issue. How it actually appears, to me, is that the admin of this site endorse the anti T&G sentiment of the author. It would be obvious therefore to any fair minded person to assume that this site was anti T&G.

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Mr Bin, the CTN is a publication to allow the T&G to inform members of the unions activity. The people who become members do so because they agree with the principles and objectives of the union.


Apart from Mr Cgulls mates in Brighton, I assume. :? :? :?

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